3 Questions to Ask an Atheist

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  1. John Hipp says:

    Does it help to ask an atheist how they define the god they don’t believe in?
    Also, some of the arguments for the existence of God require an investment of intellectual energy that seems to be above and beyond what many people are willing to invest. Yet, many would enjoy and benefit from thinking if encouraged to do so. Do you think a movie could be created to make it easier for many people to appreciate and engage with the arguments? Maybe a movie titled “The great debate: Does God exist” would get a lot more people using more of their intellectual capacity in a productive way. Atheists could be invited to make half the movie to increase the proportion of the population that would watch the movie. This would be a safe strategic move since the truth will win if honestly pursued. I would bet millions of $ would be given for the project through crowd funding.

    • John DeRosa says:

      John, thanks for the comment. I think it is helpful to ask the atheist what they have in mind by God. Regarding such a movie, I think the Great Debates on Youtube (such as this one) already show that at least some people are very interested in that sort of thing (check out the view counts!). However, I’m not sure such a movie would make it any easier for people who just don’t want to expend a lot of energy thinking about this.

      I think Dr. Craig’s short videos (like this one) are the best, easy avenue to reach a lot of people.

    • Ashley says:

      Realize that this is an old question. Just found it and hope you don’t mind me replying to it. Asking an atheist how they define the god they don’t believe in really isn’t a good question. Most atheists I know, including myself, define atheist as a lack of belief or disbelief in god or gods. I myself fall into the lack of belief side. Asking me to describe something I lack belief in really doesn’t make sense to me.

      The “God require an investment of intellectual energy”. comes across as more of a gotcha ya phrases/question and not a legitimate question. According to Pew Research atheists tend to understand more about world religions in general. Many of us at one time were theists of some sort. I myself was raised Christian, believed in it and wanted to be a youth minister. Lost my faith about 26/27 through reading the bible for the 4th time cover to cover.

      To the “The great debate: Does God exist”, it honestly isn’t that simple. There’s millions of gods that are currently being worshiped and within each religion they have radically different beliefs/denominations. Some of these denominations are so drastic that they could arguably be considered a separate religion by themselves. One good example being Christianity. The last estimate that I’ve read showed that it currently has over 45 thousand different denominations that are currently being observed with beliefs ranging from pre-determinism/determinism. old/new earth creationism, creationism through evolution, belief that the trinity is all part of the same being (father, son and the holy spirit), trinity being separate/nonexistent in the bible, belief in hell/belief in there not being a hell, etc.

      So the question isn’t “Does god exist”. The question is if there is a god, which one? Which denomination is correct? If there is a god, Is it one that we currently worshiped/intervenes in people’s lives, a deistic god that created everything and is no longer involved in its creation, or what?

  2. Ashley says:

    Are kind of weak questions.

    Question 1) really doesn’t apply for most atheists. According to Pew Research atheists tend to know more about world religions. Also, many of us were once religious ourselves. I myself was raised Christian. Through reading the bible on the 4th time cover to cover I lost my faith.

    Question 2) If the god of the bible is real, he’d know everything, plan everything to happen before it happened and created everything. If that’s the case than if the god of the bible was real and as described said god would know the answer and would have planned for that evidence to be presented/planned for that atheist to have been converted.

    Everything happens according to gods will (Ephesians 1:11, Ecclesiastes 3:1-15, Proverbs 16:33, etc)

    Question 3) Atheism is the lack of belief or disbelief in god or gods. I’m sure that my lack of belief is real

    • John DeRosa says:

      Hi Ashley,

      Thanks for the replies, Ashley. You sound like a very thoughtful atheist. I suppose it would depend on what we mean by “weak” or “strong” questions, but I intended them to be good conversation starters to hear more where a particular atheist is coming from or what they have studied. I’m still curious about your answers to (1) and (3) if you want to elaborate further. Or for (3), how do you distinguish “atheism” from “agnosticism.”

      For (2) you bring up a thorny (yet not unimportant) issue regarding God’s providential planning and will. As I’m sure you’re aware, Christians have different views on how that works. Of course, naturalists also have different views on how “free will” works or what it is (e.g. I believe Dawkins and Krauss both say we do not actually have free will). Nonetheless, my intention to (2) was not to get into those issues, though of course conversations can go to different places. Rather, it was to see what sorts of things an atheist was looking for (if he or she was looking for anything). And if they have strong reasons to disbelieve in any God, then the purpose of (3) would be to bring that out.

  3. Ashley says:

    Hi John,

    You’re welcome. I really do like talking to theists about religion in general, and find it refreshing to talk to a person that is willing to ask questions to understand a person’s views

    The differences between atheism and agnosticism, atheism is a stance based on belief while agnosticism is a stance based on knowledge. I would more accurately be classification as an agnostic atheist due to I lack both knowledge and belief in a god or gods. I really don’t know how it would be possible to truly know a god or gods exist.

    Yes, I’m aware of the differing views on free will/pre-determinism. It’s one of the things that I struggled with personally when I was a Christian and my change of stance on it was one of the many things that caused me to lose the faith that I had. When I was younger I believed in god’s plan and that we also had free will to make decisions. On the 4th time going through the bible I saw a more pre-deterministic view based on the verses that I listed, and many others. That led me to a dark conclusion that if god created the person, the person followed said path without the ability to choose for themselves, that they would ultimately be condemned for all eternity for following it. That thought haunted me for a while and I prayed/searched for answers. In the end I felt that regardless if a person could make choices themselves or a puppet following god’s plan that it was unimaginable/unethical to condemn a person for all eternity based on a belief and worthy of fear and not praise/worship. Through reading about other religions that fear developed into a lack of belief.

    I’m honestly not aware of Dawkins or Krauss’s view on free will. Have read about a study done in 2008 that showed that neuroscientists could predict a person’s reaction up to 11 seconds before the person knowingly made the decisions. They used an fMRI for the experiment. If I remember correctly that study only had a small sample size and really not sure if it’s been repeated since then. So find it interesting while also questioning the results. Honestly hope that somebody repeats the study with a larger sample size

    • John DeRosa says:

      Thanks, Ashley, for sharing some more details of your story and answers to those questions. It definitely sounds like you’ve wrestled with these issues for a while and have a studied view.

      Re: “That led me to a dark conclusion that if god created the person, the person followed said path without the ability to choose for themselves, that they would ultimately be condemned for all eternity for following it. That thought haunted me for a while and I prayed/searched for answers. In the end I felt that regardless if a person could make choices themselves or a puppet following god’s plan that it was unimaginable/unethical to condemn a person for all eternity based on a belief and worthy of fear and not praise/worship. Through reading about other religions that fear developed into a lack of belief.”

      I commend your honesty here. At times, I’ve found deep questions about life haunting as well. I’ll just offer a few additional questions/thoughts you may or may not find helpful.

      1. The free-will/pre-determinism issue is challenging. I don’t think there are any quick and easy answers whether one is a theist or an atheist (e.g. many atheists deny we have free will). I’m a Catholic Christian and Catholicism has a “big tent” on this issue allowing Catholics to explore varying views on a spectrum from simple foreknowledge to Molinism to Banezianism (and other views in between), while maintaining a core idea that however God’s providence shakes out, we are morally responsible creatures who make free choices (paragraph 600 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church spells out a general statement). So, I don’t particularly endorse a view that makes human beings mere puppets in God’s plan.

      2. Regarding the Biblical data on that issue, I totally agree there are strong verses that seem to emphasize God’s predetermining and total control. Yet, there are other verses that emphasize our moral responsibility, freedom, and God’s not positively willing (forcing, coercing, etc.) that any should perish. So, there are tough questions on how to put these ideas together. As a Catholic Christian, I trust that Jesus founded a Church to help sort through these difficulties and give us some parameters for how to understand/interpret core Christian ideas.

      3. Regarding the study you mention, it sounds like a modified version of the famous Libet experiments. I’ve done some reading on those (not a ton), and I don’t think one can infer from them that we do not make free choices. There’s a book Free by Alfred Mele that makes good arguments about that. Also, here’s an interesting article someone sent me about that topic last year.

      Re: “I really don’t know how it would be possible to truly know a god or gods exist.”

      Personally, I’ve found philosophical arguments and historical arguments on this front worth looking into. Perhaps you’ve already done that and don’t think there’s anything useful there. One great contemporary treatment on God is Josh Rasmussen’s 2019 book. I think you’d like it since he wrote it specifically not to preach to a choir but to present some arguments and ideas to seekers of truth and let them see if they find what he says to be true. I interviewed him about it here, and it’s very cheap on Kindle.

      Thanks again for your thoughtful comments.

  4. Ashley says:

    With your point 1 and 2, I think you missed the last part of the conclusion that I came to.

    “In the end I felt that regardless if a person could make choices themselves or a puppet following god’s plan that it was unimaginable/unethical to condemn a person for all eternity based on a belief and worthy of fear and not praise/worship.”

    I would go as far to say that nobody could ever do anything to justify an eternity of torment, and the fact that it’s based on something like belief is unimaginable/unethical because no person can control what they ultimately believe. And like I said, since then I’ve read a lot about other religions and my views have shifted

    Going to try to post an article on it. https://qz.com/1569158/neuroscientists-read-unconscious-brain-activity-to-predict-decisions/ . Study showed promise but only had a limited sample size.

    If I may ask the title of the book by Josh Rasmussen’s, will be sure to give it a read

    • John DeRosa says:

      I’m sorry for missing that last part. Rasmussen does address the problem of Hell in one of his last chapters and offers a few thoughts. The name of the book is How Reason Can Lead to God. Thanks again for your thoughtful comments.

      Peace,
      John

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