Facing the Problem of Evil (Part 3)

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  1. “the problem of evil does not, after all, show that the central doctrines of theism are logically consistent with one another” (The Miracle of Theism: Arguments for and against the existence of God, 1982).

    It is possible that Mackie thought the world wasn’t ready for the truth of determinism, and so wrote the above to delay the inevitable. Perhaps he lied. Maybe deep down, he knew the argument from evil is sound. Because it is. But of course, truth will eventually win. Atheism will win. If he wasn’t lying, then he was simply wrong.

    Notice the butterfly effect only works on determinism. If you say a child getting raped at t=8 is justifiably allowed by God because it will set off a chain that leads to something-“good” at t=78, that is a closed path. If we really had free will, then the something-“good” could have happened without the child being raped. So that’s a lame excuse for a child getting raped. C’mon, theists.

    • John DeRosa says:

      Raphael,

      Thanks for your comments. I don’t see any evidence in your statement that Mackie meant other than what he said.

      Re: Notice the butterfly effect only works on determinism. Notice the butterfly effect only works on determinism. If you say a child getting raped at t=8 is justifiably allowed by God because it will set off a chain that leads to something-“good” at t=78, that is a closed path. If we really had free will, then the something-“good” could have happened without the child being raped. So that’s a lame excuse for a child getting raped. C’mon, theists.

      You have not shown that the butterfly effect only works on determinism. The “chain” you speak of can be incorporated into God’s providence, which can include man’s free decisions. Also, stating that God can have morally sufficient reasons does not imply that we know or understand what the reasons are. Here’s some more Plantinga:

      “Why suppose that if God does have a good reason for permitting evil, the theist would be the first to know? Perhaps God has a good reason, but that reason is too complicated to understand. Or perhaps He has not revealed it for some other reason. The fact that the theist doesn’t know why God permits evil is, perhaps, an interesting fact about the theist, but by itself it shows little or nothing relevant to the rationality of belief in God.” [God, Freedom, and Evil]

  2. “The “chain” you speak of can be incorporated into God’s providence, which can include man’s free decisions. ”

    My point was that if we have free will, then it is possible for the good result to happen without the girl’s getting raped. Once you say it a girl “needs” to get raped for the “overriding good” to happen, you implicitly deny free will. Not to mention, you spit in God’s face by implying he needs rape in order to bring about a greater good. God has no need of rape. It is out of respect for G-d that I don’t believe He exists yet.

    Chains are deterministic. Free will implies openness.

    “stating that God can have morally sufficient reasons”

    Useless equivocation. Any reason would automatically be a “morally sufficient” one. God is Goodness Itself. God *is* moral realism. So skip the baggage and just say “God can have reasons…”

    I’m not saying Mackie lied. I’m just saying it’s possible, for all we know. Did you read his mind when he wrote what he did?

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