Facing the Problem of Evil (Part 2)

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  1. God is Love. Love wills what is good for the Other. What is good/desirable for the Other is to be happy. So God, if He is God, would will our happiness. He would put us in Heaven right from the get-go. Logically, any suffering would be a waste, for there is a possible world without our suffering in it. Logical and loving beings don’t allow Others to suffer needlessly.

    The argument from evil is sound.

    I’ve also laid out a ten day gauntlet on Edward Feser. He needs to respond to my refutation of his new book —

    http://acidtriponpluto.webs.com/Feserfatality.pdf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vzpd7WASLI

    Given the soundness of the logical argument from evil, the evidential argument is a waste of everyone’s time. ….. As if a moral virtue like bravery is worth a child being thrown into a gas chamber. Disgusting.

    • John DeRosa says:

      Re: God is Love. Love wills what is good for the Other. What is good/desirable for the Other is to be happy. So God, if He is God, would will our happiness.

      Ok, I’m tracking here.

      Re: He would put us in Heaven right from the get-go.

      Maybe, but He chose not to. From what premises does it follow that God is obligated to do this? Where would this obligation come from? What if God wants to demonstrate His justice by punishing the guilty and His love by offering salvation to all? Later in this series I offer some additional thoughts from a Christian worldview.

      Re: Logically, any suffering would be a waste, for there is a possible world without our suffering in it.

      This is asserted, but what’s the argument? Why can’t it be simultaneously true that for any suffering X, (1) there is possible world without X, (2) X is not “a waste”, and (3) God permits X.

      I submit that when you make the premises of any logical problem of evil clear, the problem dissolves. Of course, that does not erase the emotional problem.

      • “From what premises does it follow that God is obligated to do this? ”

        It’s not an obligation. It’s a logical entailment of God’s loving nature. God is loving, and Love wants what is best for the beloved, and what is best is happiness.

        “What if God wants to demonstrate His justice by punishing the guilty and His love by offering salvation to all?”

        What is the purpose of “justice”? Punishing the “guilty” does not undo the harm they did. You can torture Hitler forever, but the Holocaust will remain an eternal mark on history. Punishment is a stupid, primitive idea. Also, there is no such as free will. No one is guilty in the moral sense of the word.

        It is also questionable if demonstrating justice to evil men is worth the torment that it causes to little boys and girls. “Oh little girl, I’m gonna let that man rape you, so I can punish him later on!”

        X is a waste because there is a possible world where it does not occur. If you can make a child happy without having him tortured first, then letting him be tortured would be a waste; it would be unnecessary. That is not compatible with being a loving caretaker/parent. Similarly, for God to allow suffering when He could easily put us in Heaven right away is wasteful.

        “I submit that when you make the premises of any logical problem of evil clear, the problem dissolves.” No it doesn’t.

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